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- From: jcompton@flood.xnet.com (Jason Compton)
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- Subject: Re: New Press Release!
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- Date: 15 Mar 1996 14:57:19 GMT
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- Jeff Grimmett (jgrimm@bitnova.com) wrote:
- : jcompton@flood.xnet.com (Jason Compton) wrote:
-
- : >: any factual information to back up either side of the statement. I won't
- : >: say they're common without something to prove it, but I don't think you
- : >: have anything that really shows concrete proof that they're hard to get
- : >: in quantity, either. Appologies if you do, I'd love to see it.
- : >
- : >I base my conclusion that Amiga Tech had to special-order the 020s used
- : >in their Amiga 1200s. Perhaps there's a stockpile of useless external
- : >MMUs somewhere for a discontinued processor, but I doubt it.
-
- : .. and if my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon. It's guesswork,
- : then, which is fine, just be sure to say so next time.
-
- This argument has become silly. I think it's painfully clear that the
- 020 and its accessories have been long forgotten by Motorola. However,
- if you demand signed documentation from Motorola executives on this
- point, I'm sorry, it's not worth the time to get it.
-
- : >Without marketing, this ultra-low-end does not exist. If AT is
- : >unwilling to try to recreate this market, it will be a waste of time.
-
- : How exactly is this relevant? If they recreate the market, but have
- : nothing to sell to it, they're S.O.L.
-
- Because they have done nothing to recreate it, other than tossing out
- this prototype idea! If it's planned for launch in 6 months, it's time
- to gear up the PR machine. And that's not happening.
-
- : >: I think the EC030 is just FINE for the ---> BASE <--- machine. It has a
- : >: frinkin' CPU slot, have you forgotten how we did things back in 1990,
- : >: with the A2000? Drop in a different CPU card, and boom, a new model.
-
- : >And have you forgotten how much those A2000 CPU cards COST?
-
- : Read my lips: "You want high end, you pay high-end prices." So the cost
- : of an accelerator board adds to the cost of the machine. GEE, thanks for
- : telling me that, I had thought they were FREE!
-
- Yes, it adds to the cost of the machine, at a rate far greater than the
- price/performance ratio in the rest of the industry.
-
- : Say it, Jason. Tell me that you think that the peecee is the machine to
- : beat. Then tell me why you've stuck around with your Amiga for so long.
- : This should be interesting.
-
- In the computer industry? You're damn right the PC is the machine to
- beat. That is the default purchasing choice of any potential computer
- buyer. They must be convinced that a non-PC purchase is right for them.
- They must have a good reason, and after you tell them that an Amiga is
- several times slower than the low end PC, you may as well stop talking.
-
- : Perhaps this never occurred to you, but the Amiga hasn't played the
- : peecee game for a VERY long time, it's NOT a peecee, it's designed
- : differently. The PROBLEM is that no one seems to see this. It's a
- : common lament of the Amiga owner that if it were only more apparent the
- : actual ADVANTAGES of the machine, a lot more people would use it than
- : currently do. CBM never managed to market it. No one, including
- : (apparently) several Amiga owners, seems to know about the differences.
-
- It's too late for Commodore to market it, but unfortunately that was the
- last chance to get the Amiga, as we know it, into homes and businesses by
- the skillions. Besides, using off-the-shelf parts in development is a
- perfect way to use the (largely unfortunate) market conditions to the
- advantage of the Amiga.
-
- : >It's faster than what I'm using now: A vintage 1990 Amiga 3000 with an
- : >030/25 (with MMU and FPU, I might add.) That was high-end. Taking a
- : >"computer generation" at a VERY conservative 2 years, you mean to tell me
- : >that in 3 generations the Amiga will have a low end with processing power
- : >improved by less than a factor of TWO from the high end of over half a
- : >decade ago? Sorry, but you'll win no new friends doing that.
-
- : So, I am to then conclude that you think R&D "just happens" and that
- : computers "evolve" if they exist long enough? Point out to me, please,
- : where in that two-year timeline there was actually anyone to do any R&D
- : ON the Amiga hardware.
-
- : Your "three generations" are nonexistant. The new Amiga prototype is a
- : modification of AGA, nothing more. The _next_ generation is being worked
- : on. It will not happen overnight.
-
- You've missed the point entirely! While the market has progressed 3 or 4
- generations, we've had one. But processor and graphic technology has
- progressed right along. Why restrict the current generation to 1992
- standards?
-
- Yes, it would be a Herculean task to get that sort of functionality
- nearly overnight. But I thought we all knew that. I thought that's what
- the Amiga Tech employees and contract developers knew when they signed on
- to work on it.
-
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